Why can't NI keep up with Apple updates, especially Silicon Sequoia 15?

DunedinDragon

Quite frankly I've never understood the driving need to upgrade an operating system unless there are compelling features that you really need. I'm still on Windows 10 simply because I saw no compelling features in Windows 11 for my uses. That's probably going to change with my next computer upgrade due to some improvements they've made in the memory management and thread allocation parts of the OS.

Quite honestly it's the same with applications for the most part. I'm still on Ableton Live 11 because 12 didn't give me good reason to jump on board. That also could be changing eventually since they've introduced a few thing that would make it worth it.

But I come from the old school so I need an actual benefit before I take the possible chances. I depend on these things daily and don't want to have to tinker with anomalies unless it's worth it.

Vocalpoint

"Quite frankly I've never understood the driving need to upgrade an operating system unless there are compelling features that you really need. I'm still on Windows 10 simply because I saw no compelling features in Windows 11 for my uses.

+100. You would think that once any user (regardless of skill level) has arrived a known good working state (regardless of OS) and they are able to make music, do work or whatever their DAW is doing for them - they would simply leave it alone.

This is a DAW after all- I want the OS to disappear and simply run my apps and that's it.

As I have client work to deliver - I treat the gear here like any big studio would. Maturity and stability leads to billable hours and sanity. When I walk into any Mac based studio here in town (where work is actually occurring) - all I ever see is Ventura (or older) on 3 year old Macs holding down the fort and doing the work.

I sometime ask about why they are not on this or that - and almost without fail I get the old "Well - this is working for us now. We will look at "that" some other day"

These guys clearly do not care about an Apple keynote every September. They are focused on stability without interference.

Now - don't get me wrong. I schedule appropriate downtime for upgrades, hardware tuneups and the like - but this occurs on my schedule - not when some vendor tells me it's a good idea.

"That's probably going to change with my next computer upgrade due to some improvements they've made in the memory management and thread allocation parts of the OS"

Ironically - when I built my new DAW in the last weeks of Jan 2024 - this was the exact reason (Thread Director) I bailed on Windows 11 (23H2) and went right back to Win 10.

Even with cutting edge parts (as of Jan 20, 2024) - and three complete Win 11 installs - it took me two weeks to figure out where all these glitches, pops and who knows what else was appearing in my work files. I finally snapped and yanked it back to Win 10 22H2.

Smooth sailing is literally priceless.

VP

chk071

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/188379#Comment_188379

You're absolutely right.

Lionzinio

There are many things you can criticise NI on, but this is not one of them.

I'm not sure what Apple's developer event horizon is for their new, annual OS updates, but I don't imagine it's very long (probably under a month before the final OS is released). And until developers get the final, released version, there's really not a lot of point in spending time seeing whether anything other than key programmes work. And 2 - 3 weeks is really not a lot of time to do both extensive testing and software correction. I would much rather wait until NI and other music software companies sorted out their compatibility properly than have them do a half-ars*d job and pretend everything was fine.

And note, this is an issue that is absolutely not limited to NI. Every single music software developer is in the same position. Some will certify sooner, some much later.

With Maschine 3.0 I would assume that it has been tested on final Sequoia Macs, because they've been out for at least 2 weeks.

As with most music software, the best thing to do it not update immediately, but hold back, let other people expose any flaws and join the party when it's clear everything is working fine.