Is Traktor Software compatible with Apple M3 chip and Sequoia 15.0
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Previous versions should actually continue to receive security patches for some time, if not years. 😉
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After reading all of this I am not sure I would buy a Mac again. It really didn't even occur to me that I would be up against this. I hope Apple is aware of the problem. I have certainly let them know that this is what I am up against. My plan is to wait for Traktor 4 to be compatible. However, I totally get the frustration with having to constantly shift due to apple. If anyone else is using traktor 4 with Sequoia right now, I would love to hear their experience. I don't want to pay for it and then not be able to use it.
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A lot of the fuss over new macOS versions is undeserved. Usually everything just works. Occasionally there are changes which require an update to the application or plugin. So there is a good chance you can go ahead and run Traktor 4 on Sequoia.
I bought my current Mac with Ventura installed, shortly after it was released. Little was officially compatible yet. Everything worked. Including all my NI software.
The official compatibility lists are so that they can test and verify. Not saying ‘we will definitely have to make code changes’. Testing is a slow process when you have complex software, so this can take a while.
I try to stay one version behind anyway mostly because a new OS itself may have problems, but also because being a little cautious doesn't hurt (I no longer take that approach on iOS, though, I update within days of release). But I have more than once upgraded soon after release because there was something I wanted in it, and rarely had any problems.
Some macOS updates do have major breaking changes. This has happened a couple of times since my first Mac with Mountain Lion. But usually updates have been smooth and I am updated before many audio software vendors have announced full compatibility (it should be noted that NI is not alone here in taking months to do this; some others announced Sonoma compatibility only shortly before Sequoia was released).
As for the M3 chip, there's no reason to believe anything has fundamentally changed since the M1 and M2. Anything which runs on them should run on the M3. You should view a new M-Series chip the same as you would a new Intel chip. An incremental improvement with a generally backward compatible architecture.
Have you tried Traktor 4 on Sequoia? Or are you basing your opinion on the posts in this forum? All of which are purely speculative as none of the posters have, as far as I can tell, tried Sequoia. There is a demo version of Traktor.
I would not let people scare you away from Mac if it is the platform you prefer. Windows is equally imperfect, in different ways.
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"After reading all of this I am not sure I would buy a Mac again. It really didn't even occur to me that I would be up against this. I hope Apple is aware of the problem."
The part that no one seems to get is that Apple is only concerned with Apple. They do not care about about any third parties, whether your existing software investments work (or not) every September with their fluff based OS updates or anything else that you - the user - may encounter.
Their primary directive is (and always has been) singular in focus - keep the customer in a constant state of churn (and sadly every third party vendor as well) to force them to buy more Apple product (at prices no one else would ever get away with) just so they can do it all over again next September.
VP
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That's what I keep saying, too. Maybe not as eloquently as you, though ;)
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I do respect you, VP and I value your opinions, but this is very bitter and biased point of view, IMHO. Somehow, you can't seem to understand why people buy Apple products, despite what you precept as huge disadvantages of the platform…
On the contrary to what you wrote, Apple's only concern is to KEEP THEIR USERS HAPPY, because this brings them more money and more customers, who then buy more Apple products = more money for Apple. The essence of capitalism, by the way (at the expense of developers, as I've said already).
Why software developers put up with this? Simply because Mac users are usually well off (we can afford their products, after all) and we like to pay for our software/plugins, instead of pirating them. They put up with this, because Mac is where the money is for them to earn. Simple as that. Ask around if you don't believe me, but when it comes to music software/plugins, Mac users are around 40-50% of total user base of each company in the West (EU/UK/USA). If one runs a business, one cannot ignore this.
As a user, I'm not in a "constant state of churn" - I've chosen my computing platform very carefully and I'm happy with it, including Apple prices and all. I usually wait with OS update 6-12 months and all is well. However, there are no reported widespread problems with Sequoia so I've updated already. NA, GR and Kontakt 8 Player work with zero problems, although "unsupported" ;)
As for prices - can a comparable or even faster Windows PC computer be bought much cheaper? Of course.
Same like with cheaper cars, electronics, mobile phones, watches, furniture, clothing, etc.
Choice is great thing…
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@Maciej Repetowski you did better than I would replying to that conspiracy theory level nonsense. I tried, and everything I wrote was extra snarky and best left unposted.
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"I do respect you, VP and I value your opinions, but this is very bitter and biased point of view, IMHO. Somehow, you can't seem to understand why people buy Apple products, despite what you precept as huge disadvantages of the platform"
As I respect you and truly value your opinions.
But my view is my view and yours is yours. We can agree to disagree IHMO.
And you are absolutely correct - I do not understand (not just "seem to") why people buy Apple products and I continue to see them as a huge disadvantage to the creative process - especially every September and especially in a DAW specific circumstance when a new OS is forced down their throat.
To be very fair (and very clear) - Apple does make some great stuff - they really do. I own an iPhone. And love my iPhone. But it does not get in my way - ever.
Too bad Apple can't figure out how to bring that same level of compatibility (backwards especially) for their computing platform - which is easy to see - continues to wreak havoc in the NI world and for many other vendors too. (The Sonoma debacle was truly painful to watch for months on end)
And finally - to be even more fair - I know how you use your Apple stuff - carefully with a calculated bent. You won't be jamming Sequoia on your Mac "just cause its Sept 8th". Or ask goofy questions when 18 error messages pop up. You take your time, make small moves and test the outcome. And you certainly do not bust onto the forum with a post count of "1", yelling in upper case letters about why something does not work because you spend $3800 on a new Mac and expect full support - like right this second.
My view leans generally toward the other 99% out there having issues because they simply cannot help themselves "Whoa - new OS "update" icon down there - better throw that right on there!", cannot read instructions ("Wait - what? This OS was released last Friday - your stuff is not supported?", cannot pop in with a few basic system specs ("I am running High Sierra - why doesn't Native Access work FFS!" and so on and so on.
You are the rare breed of Apple user who gets it. And I can respect that. And I get it. But not every one has to agree with you - and you have to be OK with that.
VP
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Thank you for this. There's lot of truth in your post and, although I might not agree with some points, that's a level of discussing I wish we would always have on this forum. Take care.
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You too!
VP
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Wow am I learning a lot. My last Mac was a 2013. I am not well off. Because I am not well off so I held onto this Mac as long as I could but have not been able to update it for years so it no longer supports anything. I finally had to bite the bullet and purchase a new Mac last week and started this post because I wanted to put Traktor 4 on it. I had no idea that I would bump up against it not being compatible with Sequoia. Last night there was an update on my Mac to go to sequoia 15.0.1 and I up dated it as suggested. I think I should do this as do most people I know when there is a suggested update. I get VP's frustration, I do. But I am used to Macs so am now thinking what I really need to understand is how and when to update my computer and when to back off. Should I not have done the most recent update to the 15.1 or we are talking whole os systems? what is the suggestion here to keep my computer compatible? Wait 1 year when a new system comes out. I am also seriously considering putting traktor 4 on it. If it doesn't work, when Traktor is announced as compatible with Sequoia will I be able to reinstall it without having to purchase it again? Is there any downside to trying this? I apologize if I am not as computer literate as some on this site. I am learning. Thank you
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Stephanie
Best course of action that I have ever seen with Macs (and I think Maciej can relate) is to always stay N-1 (one version back) upon the initial release of ANY Mac OS.
And I think I would actually expand that thought to ANY OS
Over here on Windows - Win 11 24H2 was just released this past week - but anyone who really wants to keep on keeping on - should sit tight on their existing Win 11 23H2 install - for at least a couple months until the dust settles on 24H2 and the new release tightens up and gains stability.
This is even more critical in the Mac world - with an OS change every year. To play it smart - any Mac user who is able to update to Sequoia - should wait until that OS at least gets 4-8 weeks of updates from Apple so it can tighten up (AND vendors can complete their testing routines) and then take the plunge.
After 2 months of street action - Sequoia "should" be ready for full time action.
As a voiceover talent - I see a lot of what goes on in big studios and commercial facilities and you would be surprised just how far back these places are on the Mac. Most studios I see are still squarely on Ventura and are just making plans now to move to Sonoma. This is the norm in a place where clients need stability.
Again - this comes down to the importance of availability of your systems and what you do with them. If you are a hobbyist and can endure errors and issues - then install a new OS whenever you feel like and take the pain. If you are professional who needs his/her systems to be ready and trouble-free 24x7 - N-1 is the best way to roll here.
I also understand that Apple does not make this easy when buying a new device. It is unfortunate that they do not make the rollback procedure easy and straightforward - but regardless of what Apple thinks is good for you - you should be able to choose what you want to run - when you want to run it and move between OSs when it makes sense.
Over here - I am still on Windows 10 22H2 for my client work - simply because it has a decade of stability behind it and has never let me down.
And after 3 long years now - I am just slightly warming to the idea of possibly using Windows 11 in 2025.
No new OS ever ships with the most desirable (but also the rarest) of features - stability. That can only come from the passage of time.
VP
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Especially with any serious audio software like DAWs or DJ software I would suggest not to jump to the newest major release immediately. Audio apps are likely to have issues if there are major changes in the operating system. Real time audio has to work in real time. My Macs are all still running with Sonoma.
Your timing was a bit unfortunate. If you had bought the exact same Mac model just three to four weeks earlier it would have came with Sonoma. As you already have Sequoia on you Mac: Install Traktor Pro 4 on it, try it and according to all reports I read so far, it will most likely work. Would make my tests at home before trying it on a gig. Only issue: Don't expect any support from NI at this point. Official support is only up to Sonoma right now. Therefore you would get "Use Sonoma" as first input on any issue.
But Traktor Pro 4 seems to be compatible with macOS 15 Sequoia, NI just hasn't finished its internal testing. And maybe there are some issues especially in some edge cases which need fixing.
As you bought a Traktor Pro 4 licence: You can install TP4 on a later date. You don't need to pay it again.
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thank you very much for this in depth response. I appreciate your time!
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Yes exactly!
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