Macine Mk2 2nd hand, hardware only no software can i use this I have KK14 installed

Brianalipa

Hi I have seen an advert for a Machine Mk2 hardware only and want to know if it will install and work on my system I have Komplete 14 ultra installed and a Complete S61 all fully working I have downloaded the drivers and device updater but I am nervous to purchase this if for some licencing reason I cant install it, buy the time I have bought it, it will be to late .

any help would be appreciated

Brianalipa

ozon

Maschine is a different product than Komplete and therefore not included in any version of Komplete. You don’t already have any Maschine software.

Maschine Mk2 came with a hardware and a software serial number. Both should be transferred to the buyer. If the Maschine Mk2 hardware is sold without a software serial transfer, you can buy the Maschine software and Maschine Library from NI. I don’t remember the exact pricing, but it should be somewhere between 100 and 150€. Depending on the price, the deal might turn out to be more expensive than offerings with software included.

The links for the software:

https://www.native-instruments.com/de/pricing/maschine-essentials/

https://www.native-instruments.com/de/products/maschine/maschine-accessories/upgrade-your-library/

BTW, it’s almost impossible to find these via search on the NI shop, support or community pages, but they turn up in Google searches.

Brianalipa

Thanks for the replies I do have the software it came as part of the S61 I think so I do have a Maschine 2 vst and stand alone but have never used them I tried them out the other day and they seem to work fine , then the idea to experiment with this type of workflow that’s when I entered the mine field ,I have just seen an advert for a mark3 micro with software 5 miles from where I live ,I am aware of the licence transfer etc but might not need it except to register the hardware.sorry if I sounded a bit harsh but at nearly 70 I remember the days you could get the correct info from the sales person but now its a minefield littered with chancers ,thanks for the help

ozon

Ok, that’s a bit of a different situation then. You received Maschine Essentials with your S61 keyboard. This is the same version that comes with the Mikro Mk3 and includes the limited Maschine Library. In either case you would need the 99€ upgrade to the full Maschine Library, to get acces to a lot more content, especially Samples.

The Mikro can work fine in combination with the S61, but a lot of Maschine users prefer the full sized Mk2 or Mk3 because of the additional control knobs and screens, which greatly enhance the experience.

Which one suits you best, really depends on your space requirements, workflow and personal preferences.

Super8boy

@LostInFoundation someone may need to keep the software for Maschine because selling it might break their other NI software.

that’s is why you will see some Maschine controllers being sold on their own.

if your original Maschine 2 Hardware came with Komplete Select 10, then you subsequently bought upgrades to full versions of Komplete and Komplete Ultimate during Summer of Sounds sales, then more updates from year to year, selling off your old machine HW with the software might render your Komplete Ultimate CE13 or 14 unusable.

it’s like a chain. If you break one of the links then it becomes useless until fixed

Brianalipa

Yes I know that about the software as that is the position I am in , but cant forsee me selling any of it in bits or at alll for that matter, So I bought the Maschina Mii and all is working ok as far as I can tell, so far so good.

I tried to register the Hardware with NI and got the message saying it was already registered. As the original owner has died and this was sold by relatives i.e. his nephew and his brother they can be of no further help .

I await NI's answer to my photographs of the hardware ser no, I'm not sure if registering it helps me as I have the software and it is working, But all there licencing etc just creates hassle for the user and forces me to spend time not used for creation of music its all part of the learning curve LOL

PoorFellow

Please consult this article for advice ! : Buying or Selling a Native Instruments Product Second-Hand :  https://support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/210288845-Buying-or-Selling-a-Native-Instruments-Product-Second-Hand

Also :

My Serial Is Already Registered to Another User Account :  https://support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/360001301669-My-Serial-Is-Already-Registered-to-Another-User-Account

How to Request a License Transfer ID to Sell Your NI Product :  https://support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/209566129

Connecting the MASCHINE Controller  :  https://www.native-instruments.com/fileadmin/knowledge/attachments/MASCHINE_2.0_Setup_Guide_English.pdf#ID0EKMAK

How to Install the MASCHINE 2 Software / Hardware :  https://support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/210277485-How-to-Install-the-MASCHINE-2-Software-Hardware

MASCHINE MANUALS, GUIDES AND SOFTWARE  :  https://www.native-instruments.com/en/products/maschine/production-systems/maschine/downloads/

Brianalipa

The question is simple please answer it, do not send me to a list of pages I have already read before asking for help.

I have seen a Machine Mk2 for sale seller says Hardware only i.e. no transfer code etc.

Does this mean NI has Blacklisted this hardware or is there a way to register or use the hardware.

there will be a serial No on the bottom of the maschine .

IF I purchase this can I register it to my account as I have a licence for the software VIA KK14 and have downloaded the drivers etc from the NI website. or Do I have to pay to register it i.e. buy more software or has NI designed the system to prevent this, making orphaned hardware useless even though I have the software installed It should be a yes or no answer not a day searching the web in vain and reading lots of NI stuff not giving a relevant answer.

ozon

Maschine is a different product than Komplete and therefore not included in any version of Komplete. You don’t already have any Maschine software.

Maschine Mk2 came with a hardware and a software serial number. Both should be transferred to the buyer. If the Maschine Mk2 hardware is sold without a software serial transfer, you can buy the Maschine software and Maschine Library from NI. I don’t remember the exact pricing, but it should be somewhere between 100 and 150€. Depending on the price, the deal might turn out to be more expensive than offerings with software included.

The links for the software:

https://www.native-instruments.com/de/pricing/maschine-essentials/

https://www.native-instruments.com/de/products/maschine/maschine-accessories/upgrade-your-library/

BTW, it’s almost impossible to find these via search on the NI shop, support or community pages, but they turn up in Google searches.

LostInFoundation

I would add to what ozon said that you can use Maschine HW in midi mode (to control other programs) even without registering it. The registration is just to have the software.

If you already have Maschine software (although as ozon says it’s not included in Komplete bundle), it will work also with it (always without registering the HW)

The serial you name on the bottom of the hardware has probably already been used, therefore useless

Now…if you want to use it in midi mode with other programs (loosing its main appeal) is only up to you to decide. Same if you really already own Maschine software and you are ok with not registering the HW.

Anyway, I would add also that I always find strange that somebody sells Maschine without providing the License transfer, since usually he will keep the software even by asking to transfer the HW serial…why would they want to keep a HW registered to their account if they don’t have it anymore? It’s at least dubious imo. I would buy a Maschine without serial only if it comes at A LOT less than all the other offers and I were interested only in the controller for another program and not in Maschine software, or if I already own another Maschine and therefore I have no need for the software. But even in this case it should be a lot cheaper than the other offers, and since you can find MK2 for around 160 bucks, I doubt I’ll never find someone selling one for 60…

Brianalipa

Thanks for the replies I do have the software it came as part of the S61 I think so I do have a Maschine 2 vst and stand alone but have never used them I tried them out the other day and they seem to work fine , then the idea to experiment with this type of workflow that’s when I entered the mine field ,I have just seen an advert for a mark3 micro with software 5 miles from where I live ,I am aware of the licence transfer etc but might not need it except to register the hardware.sorry if I sounded a bit harsh but at nearly 70 I remember the days you could get the correct info from the sales person but now its a minefield littered with chancers ,thanks for the help

ozon

Ok, that’s a bit of a different situation then. You received Maschine Essentials with your S61 keyboard. This is the same version that comes with the Mikro Mk3 and includes the limited Maschine Library. In either case you would need the 99€ upgrade to the full Maschine Library, to get acces to a lot more content, especially Samples.

The Mikro can work fine in combination with the S61, but a lot of Maschine users prefer the full sized Mk2 or Mk3 because of the additional control knobs and screens, which greatly enhance the experience.

Which one suits you best, really depends on your space requirements, workflow and personal preferences.

Brianalipa

Thanks again for the info I have Cubase pro 12 NI KOMPLETE 14 ultimate I do not want to generate trance type music but I do want to have hands on music production the whole MIDI thing is complicated but I am getting there ,I just want to explore the beat making workflow as I said I think I have lots of sample both with cubase and NI and want to see if they are of any use to my type of music making which is best described as world/folk/orchestral I do this as a retirement hobby and probably spent to much money on trying to make it easier . I have just watched some YouTube by Jeff Gibbons on reprogramming Maschine using midi remote so would like to try that as well I love control surfaces and also have 2 Beringer bcf2000 for mixing and an akai APC mini /MPD226 so integrating all this will keep me busy.So if I buy the Mk2 my preferred option or the Micro I should at least be able to make them work in MIDI mode and integrate them with the S61.one last question Can I use the expansion that came with Cubase the same as the NI ones or is there some incompatibility ?

ozon

@Brianalipa asked:

Can I use the expansion that came with Cubase the same as the NI ones or is there some incompatibility?

Cubase expansions (which I don’t know, in spite of using Cubase for decades) are surely something different than Maschine Expansions which are installed through Native Access and highly integrated with the Maschine Browser.

However, since you can add any directory containing samples as a library in Maschine, chances are you could use any sample content (wav or aif format) provided by Cubase as well.

Can you give an example of such a Cubase expansion (exact name or link)?

Brianalipa

thanks again

but I remember thinking about this a few years ago and found as you say Steinberg and NI formats are locked so converting 1 to see in the other browser is not practical , All this propriety ____ is so annoying I want a simple global workflow not dependant on any one supplier but I guess that's not going to happen.

LostInFoundation

As Ozone said, probably the only way is using their wav files, but not the expansions themselves.

But…to give you some hope in suppliers…one month ago Presonus and Bitwig announced a new projects format interchangeable between DAWs. At the moment it is possible only between their DAWs (Studio One and Bitwig Studio), but it seems they made it open to be adopted by other DAWs.

Maybe things are changing a little bit…let’s hope for a brighter future

Super8boy

@LostInFoundation someone may need to keep the software for Maschine because selling it might break their other NI software.

that’s is why you will see some Maschine controllers being sold on their own.

if your original Maschine 2 Hardware came with Komplete Select 10, then you subsequently bought upgrades to full versions of Komplete and Komplete Ultimate during Summer of Sounds sales, then more updates from year to year, selling off your old machine HW with the software might render your Komplete Ultimate CE13 or 14 unusable.

it’s like a chain. If you break one of the links then it becomes useless until fixed

Brianalipa

Yes I know that about the software as that is the position I am in , but cant forsee me selling any of it in bits or at alll for that matter, So I bought the Maschina Mii and all is working ok as far as I can tell, so far so good.

I tried to register the Hardware with NI and got the message saying it was already registered. As the original owner has died and this was sold by relatives i.e. his nephew and his brother they can be of no further help .

I await NI's answer to my photographs of the hardware ser no, I'm not sure if registering it helps me as I have the software and it is working, But all there licencing etc just creates hassle for the user and forces me to spend time not used for creation of music its all part of the learning curve LOL

Brianalipa

Just a wee update

I did get the Maschine registered in my Account with the help of NI support so thanks to them I now have everything working as expected, so on with the learning curve and maybe some creativity in the future , thanks everybody that chipped in