Maschine plus upgrades (ableton push 3 released)
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There doesn't seem to be a lot of interest for this stuff though.. I don't even know if anyone is using them besides myself..
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Well that is just uninformed nonsense, I have an iPad Air2, and this year was the first year it is not eligible for OS updates, so I got 9 years out of it, oh wait, nearly all audio software runs about three or four OS generations back anyway, so funnily enough it is still working, the battery lasts nearly six hours in heavy use, the screen makes these standalones look insanely out of date, the TUI is market leading, on and on and on and on, yes you don't like iPads, that is a fine position, no argument from me, but don't talk nonsense about them, it negates your point, just say you don't like them and move on.
To be honest, very few Maschine+ users look at this forum, it is not really a hotbed of activity, and most other forums just think Maschine+ is a joke (NIs fault for not doing more with it) once they admit it is legacy (Which in my opinion it is now, but they want to sell remaining stock so cant say it is) it could well garner a little niche cottage industry.
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I am. And I take the occasion to thank you 👍🏼
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"appreciate that, especially coming from a respected player such as yourself"
I hope we will get lots more contributions once M+ OS updates to support Reaktor 6.5
I also got some new ideas regarding how we might be able to use Reaktor to generate something resembling "MIDI" in Maschine/M+.. but I'll post more about it once I have done more research on the subject ;)
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For a possible hardware maschine evolution I'd like to see:
- The addition of a column of "launch" buttons to the right of the pad matrix (as on push), overhung by a small screen and four buttons for accessing scenes, clips, patterns and snapshots. And to launch them with these buttons.
- At top right, a rotary knob controls master, group, sound and cue volumes.
- MPE pads to modulate various parameters, notably note repeat divisions depending on where the pad is touched. Of course, variations can be programmed on each pad individually.
- The touch strip positioned vertically to the left of the pads, as on ableton push. Much more intuitive. In particular, to control the volume of each pad or assign a macro would be very pleasant.
In general, review the layout of the buttons on the left-hand side of the controller.
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With smart design of "mating" an iPad to a new NI controller.. it could be made simple and elegant for portability
I guess, it would be way better to use Win tablet instead iPad. Less troubles with obsolence and so on.... It runs real OS and so on....
I do not say, it is very good idea to use tablet (Win or iPad) this way to expand any unit....
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Probably “expand” is the right word. If NI isn’t interested in porting their products to iPads, at least a “companion” app to expand Maschine controller possibilities would be cool. Something in the line of what @D-One once suggested would be a dream: an app to substitute the (also not much loved by NI) Jam. If I think about it, using the touchstrips wasn’t much more tactile than faders on a screen, using buttons for a proper sequencer was good but would be feasible even on a screen, and for launching scenes/snapshots (I always ask myself why they omitted patterns to be midi controllable, since you can on a Jam) and using volumes and macros I already use my self-made Loopy pro Maschine Midi Controller.
In any case, we should open a “nightjar promoting iPads/ Kubrak answering about Win tablet” thread 😂
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Well that is just uninformed nonsense
No, it’s not. My comment is based on several decades of experience with Apple products and policies. Hence, it’s just an observation of the sad truth.
Whether you like it or not, Apple thrives off planned obsolescence. Which is (sort of) acceptable in areas with very fast technological progress or for highly replaceable low budget commodities, but undesirable for expensive professional applications or assets requiring the laborious acquisition of knowledge and various mental and physical skills.
Musical instruments and studio gear are assets. Assets are an investment. Assets with planned obsolescence are a rather bad investment. Which can make sense under certain conditions, such as a pre-defined period of use, like for a certain project, but not in general.
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Nightjar suggests to implement on iPad, what already exists on Win tablet without any effort.... Just plug existing NI HW to it.... And use existing NI SW. Or any other.... And any other HW.
NI knows, how many Win "tablets" are used, what NI SW is there installed and so on. They may guess, how it might look with iPad. And NI has experience with porting two apps to iPad. Probably nothing very excitingly profitable.....
So, my reasoning is. If there is probably not much use on Win "tablets", why should it be much better on iPad? One would see, if iPad had the same OS as Mac.... And the price of SW for iPad would be the same like for Mac/Win.
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Sounds like you have very little experience to be honest, the amount of studios that used Mac Pro towers for an insane amount of years is huge, a lot are only upgrading now to get the new architecture, the amount of time most producers own a Macbook is also insane, even their iPhones have zero built in obsolescence, but that area of technology just moves on very very quick, and users GAS.
I don't even like Apple, but you are talking nonsense.
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The TUI on iOS is vastly superior to Windows, it is designed from the get go for TUI, Windows is not, and trust me, I think Windows is a superb OS, but for Touch it is third best behind iOS and Android.
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There are a lot of M+ appearing on ebay!
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I speak about it, on Win it works, now. Actually, for many years, already. I speak about x86 Win tablets, not ARM ones...
For iPad SW has to be ported and maintained, as it is not compatible with MacOS. It costs. And SW for iPad is way cheaper than one for MacOS. Less money for licences.
And as iPads are decently capable, porting SW to iPad may also cut investments of users for Mac version... Yet another decrease of income....
But, IMHO, the whole idea of plugging any tablet (Win/iPad) into musical gear is not very good idea. It looks like smart solution, but brings more obstacles than benefits....
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Valid point.
If we account for inflation those prices were truly horrifying but keep in mind that in 1988 computer prices were also crazy, now we walk around with computers in our pockets, also the manufacturing cost and target audience were also way different.
I think we kind of moved past the 'pro' mentality that some companies still use (like 'Avid' or 'Blackmagic') that target companies or commercial big studios, bedroom musicians are by far the biggest market now. I personally can't justify 1000$ extra for a standalone module with that amount of RAW power but many people are fine with it, it's sold out worldwide for a reason I guess.
No. MPC was just an example, I said 'standalone' in general multiple times, I not trying to put down AKAI at all.
My point is it would be better to be able to upgrade an MPC One (for example) internals rather than buying a whole new one, that's all, to me this is just common sense... Im not factoring in the actual price of X VS Y product, that's completely irrelevant. If Ableton inspires the next MPC or any other similar devices to be somewhat upgradable at their own pricepoint, or go from controller to standalone that would benefit us all...
Native took the MPC general concept and made a controller with Maschine MK1, it was groundbreaking and inspired AKAI to also do controllers, the MPC Renaissance came out 3 years later... hence the MAS mk1 changed the game, I'm glad they did and this is not putting down AKAI, people build off each other.
I find it very hypocritical to only criticize Apple for not being upgradable then 1 min later defend another brand that does the same, be it AKAI or NI, or any other. (not you specifically, just in general)
If you disagree with all of the above that's fine, I disagree with people all the time, and you don't see me crying about it with anyone else... sometimes people even make me rethink things and I change my mind, I always accept the possibility of being wrong, no pride here in that regard, this is how one can learn but your a tone is often one of provocation. Let's just ignore each other because this conversation is going around in circles and we both just repeating ourselves. I'm not here to convince anyone I am right.
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