Logic now available for iPad - thoughts?
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MS makes ARM Win tablets for years. They have something like Rosetta in Mac, and similarly it sometimes work and sometimes not so much. The same on Apple.
Native ARM applications probably work OK on ARM Win. I do not know, do not need it.
Nobody is going to rewrite all the x86 programs running on Win. ARM might live on in MS "tablets", but only uninformed people buy such things.
I have serious doubts that AS will be able compete with x86. It might become more clear with M3. If there will not be visible improvement and if Apple will not succeed again to "glue" four M2Max into one CPU, than the hope is lost....
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You know, I mostly do not have the need to proove I am right. I leave it on others to find out, if they desire.
My SW runs on x86 servers for decades, and will run for one, two, maybe even three decades on (and that time I will be retired or even dead...). It would be too expensive to replace it with ARM something. The same with my SW for PCs. There are industries that are rather slow to introduce new things, mainly if it brings nothing but lots of investments and even more possible troubles.... Everyone is happy it works as is. And for God's sake do not change anything unless it is absolutely necessary.
As I said, I wait for M3. And mainly M3 Extreme, if Apple finally succedes to finalize it... If not, Apple might run to serious problems as not having strong CPU that could compete with x86 for workstations.
The fact, there is no M1/M2 Extreme shows, there is some kind of technical/economical problem that Apple faces in introducing them.
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Now that seems a bit rash, doesn't it?
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Newer RME interfaces are Class Compliant and USB. I have Fireface 802 which is 9 years old model and it is USB and Class Compliant. It may be true it runs better on Win, I do not know.
And Total Mix that comes with it is just great, the routing capability is endless. And DIGICheck utility comes handy when one needs to know what happens in the chain...
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Okay, so Logic for iPad costs $50 annually. I'm already against it, and I HAVE an M1 iPad.
I don't like subscriptions with no single-pay option available. I am revulsed by "subscription-only" because it's better for the vendor than it is for the customer. I have even stopped using some software because the company went subscription only.
And this is how companies, and in this case, Apple, is ruining the iOS ecosystem.
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I just said more or less that. Are you disagreeing with me for the sake of disagreeing?
As you said yourself, and I quote: "I do not know". Unlike you, I'm not advising PC people what's best audio interface for PCs, because last time I used one, it was on Windows XP, perhaps heed my example :D
Guy was asking "for a Mac", do you have any experience with Mac computers in professional studio environment? Or at all? How can you formulate an opinion on what's best audio interface for a Mac then?
I repeat one more time, FOR A MAC, the best quality class compliant audio interface is Lynx Hilo or Prism Lyra/Titan/Atlas, then RME (driverless ones), then MOTU, Audient and Focusrite.
In regards of Apogee, most of their interfaces require drivers, M1 compatibility is flaky and came really late, Symphony Mk1 had very loud fan, Symphony Mk2 is a bit better (quieter), but there were manufacturing quality issues. Latest Symphony Desktop is class compliant, but their included plugins require iLok, manufacturing quality was (and still is) poor. Conversion quality is great, but too many problems (and they are expensive) for investing in them, IMHO.
Do you have personal experience with Mac platform and said interfaces (except for RME) to dispute this?
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So none of you are using Logic? You just enjoy spitballing about ARM vs AS, win vs mac.. how boring
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I’m using it. As far as my tests at the moment, I don’t find it the “game changer” people are screaming about. I didn’t have any big troubles so far (taking in consideration how new it is and that many AuV3 must adapt to it, but they are doing it fast, being it THE MIGHTY LOGIC FOR IPAD), but I haven’t even found anything I couldn’t do before with apps like Cubasis or others, maybe needing the help from some AuV3 here and there (but I don’t see the difference between opening an AuV3 or a Logic plugin, exception made for more choices in the AuV3 world, where one can chose between this or that reverb, following his taste). It’s a little bit like saying to someone “if you buy Kontakt you have anything you need. Don’t buy Noire or Picked Acoustic, because in Kontakt you already have piano and guitar”… Or “Why buying FabFilter Timeless 3? You already have a delay in Maschine”…
Not saying that it is a bad product, just i don’t see why people are all screaming “now we have a PROFESSIONAL app on iPad”. Everything I do in Logic I could do it before… It IS good, but maybe more suited to someone who doesn’t have anything else.
But take my analysis with a grain of salt, for a couple of reasons:
firstly I’ve never been a huge fan of Logic. Even the one on my Mac get barely used. I largely prefer Studio One. But we all know DAWs are a matter of the one that fits you better: they are all good and one is better for one user, the other for another.
Second I’m not a huge fan of subscriptions too (even if I admit it has a very good price). My only problem is with the “if you stop paying subscription nothing remains in your hands and you don’t have access to your work anymore” thing. So probably this is influencing how I see Logic on iPad
The only times I think “wow, this app is really surprising me” is when I find an app that allows me to do something that I couldn’t do before. Or that it does it REALLY better. Logic on iPad at the moment doesn’t enter any of these 2 categories
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Just a little suggestion to help you see another prospective: don’t think of standalone solutions only for the live gigs aspect. What really changed my way of working is another aspect: the “I grab it and I do something, fast”. The reason why I like using also my iPad for making music is the “I have 20 min and I want to have fun” or the “this evening on the sofa is boring cause this movie is bad. Let’s make some music without having to turn on my whole studio and staying with my family” factors.
These are the reasons why I really appreciate having the choice of different workflows. Making music on a standalone and/or an iPad EXPANDS my possibilities, it doesn’t substitute them. Will I end up making some loops that probably later I will use in my full studio with more complete programs? Probably! But this is also transforming what I do in my studio: having a way to put down really quickly my inspirations allows me to work on something different when I have the time/will to turn on everything in my studio, but I go there because I already have some pieces of the puzzle I want to work on.
(Btw: LiDAR camera for 3d scanning is not bad at all, but only if you think “I already have an iPad. Cool, I can also make 3d scanning”, not if you think it’s a 1:1 replacement. A little bit like having a normal car allows you to go make a fast run for fun in the Nürburgring circuit, but it will never be like doing it on a F1 Ferrari 😉)
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I also see the iPad as an expansion of a person's workflow options rather than a substitute. It's one more tool in a creative ecosystem that fits a time and place as the "best" choice.
A voice memo on my iPhone can find a seamless path into this ecosystem. Capture a song bird and collaborate with nature.
The "new" in all this is the significant "pivot point of possibilities" in further refining workflow.
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Since you use iPad… Loopy Pro over the 505 MK2 all my life!
I bought the MK2 when it came out thinking I would sell my MK1 for few bucks. But in the end I decided to keep the MK1 and sold the MK2 for few bucks less than what I paid it.
Loopy Pro is waaaaay too much more flexible to go back to the old paradigm of “adapting to what the gear can do”. Why should I adapt to a looper when I can make the looper adapt to what I want to do? And even discover it is so flexible and deep to allow me to do things I didn’t even knew I wanted to do? ☺️
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OK, I misunderstood you. From following it seemed to me that you are indirectly saying that RME is not Class Compliant.
I was not sure if you just do not want to add information about state driver development (RME DriveKit - Beta), but because of context (preceeding paragraph), I came to conclusion it is not the case. And you are saying that RME is not usable on Apple or only with beta drivers...
I would only go for class compliant Interface for Mac at the moment. And USB, not TB (TB future for audio interfaces is uncertain, until TB4 will become common).
RME has DriverKit drivers as Beta, last time I checked.
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IPad is not replacement for Mac. At least not for most users. (Say Apple users, not me.... ;-) )
MS Surface (which is alike iPad) may well serve as replacement for notebook. I am in process of "ditching" three older notebooks (need to move all stuff and so). I replaced them with two Surfaces. One for my job and second for web, email, Traktor, Maschine and alike.
And beside I have tiny, easily transportable desktop, that is roughly as strong as M1 Pro, but has more RAM, for music production and like.
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No problem. I will give longer explanation about why I do not recommend RME for Mac computers presently. I agree that RME is quality company with very good audio interfaces. Most of them (but not all, i.e. RME Digiface USB, which I used to have) can be switched to class compliant mode for use with iPad/iPhone, Mac or even PC (driverless). But then TotalMix doesn't work and all routing is done via MacOS or on hardware itself (which is quite limited in comparison with TotalMix). So in most cases having a driver is preferable with RME interfaces due to having access to TotalMix, even if they can work as class compliant.
However, until recently (as they were using deprecated KEXT drivers on Mac), they were suggesting to remove SIP (MacOS System Integrity Protection) and to reduce system security, in order to install Kernel drivers (KEXT). Removing SIP and reducing security just to install audio interface driver is not acceptable for any sane Mac user. Hence Beta of DriverKit driver was released (which was quite a bit unstable, to say the least) and there was a backlash from Mac users and some brusque responses from RME team on their forum.
When RME's DriverKit will be out of Beta (unless it already is, I haven't checked for a while) or if one has RME interface which works in Class Compliant mode and doesn't mind NOT using TotalMix - RME is OK for Mac.
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Everybody is buying UAD now anyway, so I don't think you need to worry at all about RME gaining more marketshare than it deserves.
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