Logic now available for iPad - thoughts?

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  • LostInFoundation
    LostInFoundation Member Posts: 5,354 Expert
    edited May 2023

    Just to avoid people wasting their money: if you are interested in using NI softwares on a really mobile Windows device, be very careful to take right informations before buying anything. They don’t work on Windows tablets…they work on a very limited selection of devices, which in fact are hybrids with detachable keyboard (I would even say almost only Surface Pro…even on a Surface Go they will struggle (unless you want practically to use only one Maschine Group or play one KK instrument without even recording it in a DAW).

    Make good researches and don’t go buy e.g. a tablet with ARM processor… yes, they run Windows but NI products won’t work

    Even the Windows version matter: be sure is a complete version and not one of the mobile Windows versions, otherwise you won’t be able to install anything.

    So…my suggestion is: if you want this kind of experience, go for Surface Pro (maybe with a Surface Dial): with this setup I have a lot of fun with NI products, but don’t think a 500 or less Windows tablet will become your portable studio

  • Kubrak
    Kubrak Member Posts: 3,145 Expert

    Well, sure. It must be sufficiently powerfull Win tablet. One may rank Surface Pro as 2in1, one may rank it as tablet. It is sold without keyboard and pen... So, it is tablet. If one adds keyboard and/or pen.... It is up to choice. Pen is good and keyboard adds sort of protection to display if carried....

    I have Surface 7 Pro (i5 CPU) and one may do basic tasks. It may be better than M+ (in combination with MK3) in most aspects, but not all.

    And Traktor runs on it just fine.

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    Sure, one should go for 'tablet' with x86 CPU (not ARM or like) and at least i5 (not Atoms and like). AMD soon releases new CPUs for ultramobile use, I would go for one of those. But, one has to understand AMD numbering scheme, because first digit means year of release and not the generation of CPU (Zen 2, 3, 4, ..) So, go for Zen 4, not older generation.

  • LostInFoundation
    LostInFoundation Member Posts: 5,354 Expert
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/72097#Comment_72097

    We already had this conversation

  • nightjar
    nightjar Member Posts: 1,325 Guru
    edited May 2023

    Yep. iPad opens up a far better path for NI to pursue.

    Incredible devices on a rapid evolution.

  • Jblogg
    Jblogg Member Posts: 5 Member

    Logic Pro, It runs so smooth on my IPAD, and they really thought about the interface, the effects are really maximized for touch and screen real estate! I hear you on subscription but 1 month free, and then 4.99 a month, or only 49 a year - after using it seems fair

  • tetsuneko
    tetsuneko Member Posts: 857 Expert
    edited May 2023

    After one night of use, I like it! I'll take a year for 50€ thanks

    After the year is up, I'll activate my macOS LP demo period and use it for archiving all the stuff I did with the iPad version in MIDI & audio.. unless the desktop Logic also gets a subscription option

    Finally, a iOS DAW which doesn't feel like a toy

  • BIF
    BIF Member Posts: 1,130 Guru

    I'll say this once. I despise subscriptions. I despise them because I believe they REMOVE competitiveness from the marketplace. That hurts consumers AND investors. They do this in two ways:

    1. They fund lazy companies. At least for a time before people start canceling. Believe me, Adobe will tell you everything to the opposite, but they've done the math. They know that they can put out a cr@ppy release of CC and still pull in a figure pretty close to norm.
    2. They take away your own personal agency. Anything that bills you automatically, or just takes the money out of your pocket without forcing you to consent to the money removal.
    3. Cancellation often comes with rules that favor the vendor, not the consumer.
    4. Cancellations OVER TIME (for example over a quarter or a couple quarters) will not be noticed right away. They COULD be noticed after it's already too late for the company to do anything about it. I think this may have been the case with Adobe in the weeks and months leading up to mid-September 2022.
    5. They make personal budgeting more difficult for CUSTOMERS. And why would you hurt the customer?
    6. The more subscriptions you have, the more hassle you have when you have to have your debit card changed due to fraudulent use by unknown persons. And the issuing banks NEVER track down the criminals or press charges for creating this hassle.

    Companies like subscriptions, because they create a stable source of revenue for the company, which simplifies their budgeting and makes their accountants' jobs easier. But they, being "hidden from view", tend to discourage individuals from personal-budgeting for these costs, while still whittling away at the individual's monthly budget.

    The only thing I hate more than subscriptions is when a company's subscription is the ONLY way to buy that thing. I'm always angry at Microsoft for forcing me into the Office 365 ecosystem, but at least I can put it on up to 5 computers in my house. Adobe is just too expensive. And when East-West took their VSTs to "Composer Cloud", I rage-quitted them to the point that I hardly ever look at their site anymore.

  • Jojo123
    Jojo123 Member Posts: 383 Pro

    @BIF

    Well said. Totally agree and thats why I hate subscriptions with a passion.

  • Hord
    Hord Member Posts: 4 Member

    Microsoft obviously don't have music production in mind. I mean they don't have good driver so ve have to use 3rd party one ASIO. I was using Windows since Windows 95 and i am willing to give them one more year to start spending money and fix everything that can be usable and also involve in the music more. Apple has their own free daw, while Windows have sound recorder and it's bad one where you can't even cut recording and edit them. If they don't do something I'm switching to Apple without second thought. NI I hope you develop Maschine to be full flagged DAW so i don't havr too use Maschine and or in other DAW. Thank you!

  • EFTHIMIS
    EFTHIMIS Member Posts: 15 Member
    edited June 2023

    What about subscribe to own everything? Like kilohearts subsciption model. Don't get me wrong. I want to own things but I am tired to keep this update model every 2 years in everything. Update pc, new versions, plugins, hardware, e.t.c. This year I bought komplete 14 standard update. I am not a billionaire. I hear you, but...

  • Kubrak
    Kubrak Member Posts: 3,145 Expert

    Microsoft obviously don't have music production in mind. I mean they don't have good driver so ve have to use 3rd party one ASIO.

    Is that real problem? I personally prefer ASIO driver by RME, than anything like that from MS....

  • D-One
    D-One Moderator Posts: 3,680 mod
    edited June 2023

    Is anyone actually using it? I'm on the fence about what to invest next, an iPad is currently a consideration (not specifically for logic but that could be a bonus)

    I'm finding the iLogic reviews available on youtube rather generic and basic, it's easy to see what it can do however I am more interested in knowing what It can't, what are the problems, limitations, etc.

  • tetsuneko
    tetsuneko Member Posts: 857 Expert

    I am still far too inexperienced to give an educated opinion about it, but so far I am liking it. It presents a new UI paradigm for me, one which I still haven't got into muscle memory. But I already know it's lightyears beyond the iOS music apps that came before it.

  • Kubrak
    Kubrak Member Posts: 3,145 Expert

    Concerning Apogee vs. RME ....

    https://gearspace.com/board/music-computers/1336408-apogee-symphony-desktop-vs-rme-fireface-ufx-ii-one-would-you-get.html

    Out of those two you mentioned, RME definitely.

    RME write's their own drivers for their interfaces from old to new. They still support interfaces from looooong time ago.

    Apogee on the other hand, doesn't write their own drivers. It runs off Apples generic CoreAudio driver, so the latency isn't as good and it's not as stable. This has been confirmed by Apogee themselves. The only interface that has proprietary drivers written is the Element.

    I run a Symphony MK1 and it's been a very long hard road getting this thing stable. I can't upgrade anymore because Apogee no longer supports the MK1, they regard it as legacy. It sounds fantastic though!

    I've had interfaces from both companies, and without a doubt RME as a company is better overall. Better support, better drivers, better customer support, better control software (totalmix kills maestro2 in every way possible).

    They both sound fantastic, but RME wins in every thing else.

    It might be better to have drivers written by HW provider than some kind of generic thing. The both for Win and Mac....

    So, no real problem on Win. You are right that fusing more interfaces into one comes handy on Mac. But one may do the same on Win using third party SW. Or using HW like RME DigiFace USB interface that allows connect 4xADAT in/out devices and mix them and route in TotalMix SW.

    But, if you think Mac is Pro and Win is not Pro (for music production and like).... Keep that opinion.

  • Maciej Repetowski
    Maciej Repetowski Member Posts: 707 Guru
    edited June 2023
    https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/74505#Comment_74505

    Out of those two you mentioned, Lynx or Prism Sound :D

    Both of them are 100% professional quality for PC and Mac.

    RME is best choice only for PC, though. They prioritise PC platform. Apogee isn’t what it used to be.

    I would only go for class compliant Interface for Mac at the moment. And USB, not TB (TB future for audio interfaces is uncertain, until TB4 will become common).

    RME has DriverKit drivers as Beta, last time I checked.

    Cheap and reliable (if Lynx or Prism is too pricey) - Focusrite. Stable drivers for PC and class compliant for Mac.

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