HELP: Session Guitarist Instruments Switching to Patterns from Melody

Soniclight

Windows 10
Cubase Pro 12
Komplete 13
Kontakt 7

First image shows default set as Melody. But..
Second image shows that it plays a Pattern, one that I used in an other project at least a year ago.

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I use Sunburst Deluxe, Picked Acoustic and Strummed Acoustic. I don't use multi for those, so one instrument per track.

At some point all of them set to Melody play Patterns instead even when making sure the Default Mode is in Melody and my go-to is in Open play mode. And then some jump around playing one pattern then switching to another at a bar change.

I've tried several times to created a totally virgin tracks to not have some left-over unknown automation going on, yet it does it again.

This happened out of the blue today again for no apparent reason and is messing up my mix big time.

There is an unrelated custom Multi name at the top of the instrument for a totally different instrument (I haven't mastered organizing my saved multis in their appropriate folders yet) - which may or may not be affecting this—but that named multi does not play patterns.

Now…

Once I totally closed Cubase and relaunched the project, things were OK with Sunburst Deluxe playing in Melody.

However when again creating a fresh new Picked Acoustic track and setting it to Open in Melody, it played one bar that way, then switched to a pattern, back to Open in Melody, then a Pattern, back to Melody, etc.

Also if I totally vacate the pattern slots, that it

Last, sometimes I import a track from another project since I know it is set up and works as I want in that project. Same thing happens: once it's added to the current project, it misbehaves.

WT….?

Really need some advice/solution a.s.a.p.
Thanks.

Soniclight

PS - Another weird symptom:

Got Picked Acoustic to work in Melody at one point, and testing it out with single note, one-bar sustain sequence copied over from working Sunburst Deluxe, it plays out of tune in some bars with a basic choice like "Natural" picking mode.

So whatever is going on is affecting certain bars and not others.

Are these guitars automatically populating the automation lanes in some way that is causing both of these issues?

All I can find is the addition of CC1 Modulation lane in Global Average, but it is set to 0.
So figure it's not doing anything, so I delete that lane.

But then Picked Acoustic reverts to playing Patterns…
WT…. !@@@???

Still very frustrated.

Jojo123

Hello,

You've given lots of info which is good. However Im finding your post a bit complex to figure out whats the problem. From what Im understanding you are maybe getting confused on how the Melody Instrument actually functions . The melody instrument is capable at any given time of being played with just melody, or intermittently with patterns and melody, facilitated by using those 4 keyswitches, or by activating one of the 4 slots for patterns, which ONLY operate while you hold one of the keyswitches down. Thats live playing.

Now once you've recorded your movements into a track, those keyswitches are also part of how the instrument plays and are thus recorded. In reality, Ive found at times exactly where, and the duration thereof, these keyswitches are placed in the timeline can indeed produce whack results.

Not sure if Im answering your problem. Hopefully others will chime in.

Soniclight

@Jojo123 - Thanks for reply.

I get what you are saying about that one can alternate between Melody and Patterns, yet everything has been working fine (Melody) - I've been working on this project off and on for weeks, then it just started doing this stuff today.

This happened with another project some time ago, and I somehow fixed it but no clue as to how.

Today I did copy over some riffs/bars from one instrument to another, though again, none were from instruments in Pattern mode. Just the VSTi's MIDI files that don't have any CCs in them (except for note velocity).

Another oddity I just discovered is that when I move the cursor over the misbehaving track - while it is Muted in Cubase - the Session Guitarist GUI stays in the left hand "Open"/Melody state irrespective of what bar it is.

But when unmuted and played, it does its switching around thing.

I've also nuked all automation in these tracks that are unused - sometimes duplicates of panning, modulation and other odd stuff is added even though they are neutral. Doing so didn't fix the issue.

Must be some under-the-hood thing going on, I just don't know where to look or how to fix it.
Kontakt 7 or Session Gutarist VSTi are taking some orders from somewhere.

It may or may not be a Cubase issue, but figured I'd inquire here before I go and post a similar query at the Steinberg Cubase user forum.

Soniclight

Since I'm still getting nowhere with this isssue, I've created a support ticket with NI referencing this thread. Hopefully a solution will present itself. For now, my project is stalled because of this. So good excuse to take a freakin' break - lol

Soniclight

As has been mentioned by Jojo123, it looks like some key switches may be causing this, but it certainly isn't in the notes of the track that are triggering them: my guitar notes don't go lower than C-4, the key switches are in the C-1 range.

Jojo123

Im on Logic so I cant say how Cubase might weigh in on this.

One thing I would recommend as a trouble shooting tack is try a totally new project and see how you get on recording and playing live just seeing if anything can be ruled out. Nailing these things down can be really frustrating, usually leaving us with the process of elimination method.

Hopefully someone on Cubase or NI can help.

Soniclight

@Jojo123 - It looks like I somehow didn't get the support ticket through, but I may have figured out what has been going on:

In Cubase there is a Chords track that I mainly use just for reference for chords but it also has the option of the chord playing the instrument of any track that is selected to do so. I think that's what was triggering the key switching behavior. Not 100% sure, but pretty close because once I muted the chord track the issue is for now resolved.

My mistake…

Jojo123

Thats good, and hopefully you've nailed it down.

Thanks for reporting back too, as this helps others who may encounter the same problem.

Soniclight

A few months later:
I wasn't 100% sure when I posted last here, but I am now.
Ran into it again, Googled and found this thread I had forgotten I'd started.
Well, at least one person got a 2x benefit from it - lol.