Komplete Kontrol Arpeggiator Question with AT-as-Velocity?

iamadan

Update: Thanks to Kymeia below, I realized that's "as intended" unless you turn off Channel Pressure for the Arp. I misread the original setting to be global. I actually would love a global setting in KK for Aftertouch receptiveness (Poly/Channel/Off).

Hi all,

I found a some weird behavior with Komplete Kontrol… It seems like the Arp velocity setting post-initial note is the aftertouch amount if aftertouch is triggered at all.

If I use the KK arp from a keyboard either with AT transmit turned off or without AT at all, then everything seems fine. If I use the KK arp from a keyboard with AT turned on and your initial strike triggers AT at all, which is common on a hard strike / high velocity, then the notes following the initial strike will have the same velocity as the aftertouch level.

The original presentation was that whenever I hit high velocity on a chord for the Arp, the velocity would be really low of the arpeggiated output (e.g. 0-1 velocity), but a moderate-to-quiet initial strike was fine. Turns out that higher velocity strikes usually create some AT signal if AT is on. Leaning into AT at this point would let me vary the volume of the arp with AT. This was also true even if Fixed Velocity was enabled on the S88 mk2, because the presence of any AT signal was the cause of the Arp reacting to AT level instead of initial velocity level. On any instrument, you can see that the keyboard inputs are received even if inaudible and the lights on the S88 continue as expected…

Another fun test: Start playing an Arp chord at moderate velocity so everything is fine and then lean into the AT and out. Immediately, velocity drops to 0 waiting for AT to increase velocity once again.

I've tested with KK standalone, within Logic, and within Ableton to confirm its the same on all three builds on the Mac. I haven't tested on my windows laptop yet, but I will/can. I've tested in KK with Kontakt instruments, Arturia instruments, and Modartt instruments to confirm it's KK specific and not instrument specific.

Pianoteq conveniently makes it especially easy to observe because the velocity input is always visible on the main screen. You can see AT input (even Poly AT input!) directly determining the velocity of each arp note.

For hardware, I've tested with an S88mk2 (with KK set to respond or not to Channel AT and with/out Fixed Velocity), with a Hydrasynth (in transmit none, poly, or channel AT), and with a couple of other keyboards.

All of that said, it's actually a neat idea for a feature to vary the velocity with AT (especially in a Poly AT setup), but probably not from 0-128 directly based on AT level, at least in my opinion.

Kymeia

Change settings to this.

iamadan

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/175236#Comment_175236

Thanks. I knew that worked, but I thought that was a global Channel Pressure setting and hadn't noticed the Arp above it. I have ideas about how to make that work better. :)

Question: Is there a way to globally tell the S88 mk2 not to send Channel Pressure? With some of the newer Poly-AT-intended libraries alongside heavier playing styles, I get weirdness from Channel Pressure on the attack of chords… I know I can use a MIDI filter in the DAW, but wondering if there's an easy way to do this for the controller. My perfect solution would be to delay the AT response for a few milliseconds after the initial attack.

Thanks!