My S61 MK1 Keyboard will not connect with Komplete Kontrol 3.1.0

JamesD15

Hi

I have been using Komplete Kontrol 2.9.0 quite happily until a few weeks ago when I updated to 3.1.0 and now there is no feature communication between keyboard and software only keyboard midi is functioning.

I reverted back to2.9.0 and its works ok again

Any help appreciated

Ojustaboo

If you have the mk1 version of the S61, it’s not compatible with version 3 of Komplete Kontrol, so the latest version you can use is 2.9.6

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/17363/komplete-kontrol-s-series-mk1-keyboards-end-of-life/p1

Jeremy_NI

@jeffped Even though the the MK1 keyboard is not officially supported anymore, it will still work on Windows 10/11 and current MacOs. We put all the details in these articles: Notes on Ending Software Support for Komplete Kontrol S-Series MK1 Keyboards including links to Komplete Kontrol 2.9.6, the last compatible version.

There was also a thread in the forum if you missed it: Komplete Kontrol S series MK1 keyboards End Of Life

Kubrak

@jeffped

Hard to say, NI has expressed that it was not possible because MK1 is older technology than MK2 and so on.

I, as SW developer for many decades, am not very convinced by that explanation. Maybe that it has to do something with Apple Silicon.....

IMHO, to kill the support of product that cost 1000 EUR+ (KK S88 MK1) only four, five years since end of sale is rather insane. I have decided not to buy any new NI HW anymore. And I have spent on NI HW and SW many, many thousands EUR....

I will stay on my current NI HW till it dies and replace it by other brand.

OCDJ

Killing S61 or any other Audio hardware is planned obsolescence and is the exact same thing Apple are doing. The excuse is old tech is not compatible and therefor redundant. Companies like NI and Apple are in it for a profit and keeping old tech supported is not economically viable. I mean really, who is going to buy "new planned redundant stuff" when the "old planned redundant stuff" still works? Right ? No lets kill the old stuff so these ID10T's will just buy more "stuff".

I would be prepared to pay for an upgrade for newer versions of the software if it meant I can keep using my expensive now obsolete "cos NI say so" hardware to subsidise the development cost if it meant keeping my old tech working. This waste-full practice of planned redundancy is unsustainable, but hey everyone is doing it now....

Here is an example of old tech running new software >>>

See my 2009 system specs in the attached pic running Monterey. Sonoma also works but not with the AMD GPU "yet". The good folks from Open Core Legacy Patcher have not ported the kernel extensions yet that will support my GPU. And if not, then I must buy a new compatible GPU before I need to buy a new computer. Open Core puts back what Apple remove when they stop supporting a product and is the best way to get unsupported Macs to run the latest Mac operating systems. At least this will work until Apple kill the Intel CPU support completely, maybe 2 years from now.

Apple killed this 2009 Mac Pro support at El Capitan in 2015, that was 6 operating systems ago, 8 if you count to Sonoma of unsupported operating systems on this "OBSOLETE" Mac. How is this possible if hardware being too old was an ACTUAL problem? It is possible because this Mac Pro almost 15 years old and is perfectly capable of running modern day applications and hardware like a dream. It also has error checking memory and is the most stable machine I have ever had the pleasure of working on. PCI-e SSD's installed makes this system much much faster and the 32GB of ECC RAM is not shared with the 8GB graphics card. This is not the case with the Apple M series CPU's, unified memory means your system RAM is now also shared by CPU and GPU at the same time.

In a nutshell, with NI's track record, they will not continue to develop support for old hardware the same way Apple don't. I love my NI products, S61 Audio 4 and Audio 8 with TC vinyl and will continue to use them as long as possible. However, I will not buy NI hardware again because of this planned redundancy practice.

The next Keys I buy will be a proper analogue synth like my Korg MS2000 or Novation Supernova, or my 2003 Sonic Core 12 DSP Dual Pulsar2 PCI cards that are still supported with the latest Scope7 platform and of course my RME UFX MK1 still works no issues. These are also much older and oh my sack, they still work perfectly.

The excuse that it's too old is getting old and is Komplete ******.

JamesD15

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Here is my system

Ojustaboo

If you have the mk1 version of the S61, it’s not compatible with version 3 of Komplete Kontrol, so the latest version you can use is 2.9.6

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/17363/komplete-kontrol-s-series-mk1-keyboards-end-of-life/p1

JamesD15

That’s sad but not completely unexpected. I can stop messing around with tests as I thought I was in error somewhere

Many thanks for taking the time to give me closure on this.

Jeremy_NI

@JamesD15 Please note that, even if the MK1 keyboards are EOL, you can still make them work with the Komplete Kontrol 2.9.6 version. You'll find the installers and more information here:

Notes on Ending Software Support for Komplete Kontrol S-Series MK1 Keyboards

JamesD15

Thank you I will do that

jeffped

I would like to know the truthful reason for the murder of my mk1 S61. It is as perfect as the day I brought it home. With all the technical achievements of NI over the years I can not believe there is a practical reason why this hardware has to be left to die on the side of the road.

Jeremy_NI

@jeffped Even though the the MK1 keyboard is not officially supported anymore, it will still work on Windows 10/11 and current MacOs. We put all the details in these articles: Notes on Ending Software Support for Komplete Kontrol S-Series MK1 Keyboards including links to Komplete Kontrol 2.9.6, the last compatible version.

There was also a thread in the forum if you missed it: Komplete Kontrol S series MK1 keyboards End Of Life

Kubrak

@jeffped

Hard to say, NI has expressed that it was not possible because MK1 is older technology than MK2 and so on.

I, as SW developer for many decades, am not very convinced by that explanation. Maybe that it has to do something with Apple Silicon.....

IMHO, to kill the support of product that cost 1000 EUR+ (KK S88 MK1) only four, five years since end of sale is rather insane. I have decided not to buy any new NI HW anymore. And I have spent on NI HW and SW many, many thousands EUR....

I will stay on my current NI HW till it dies and replace it by other brand.

esspro

@Jeremy_NI

Thank you Jeremy .. your tip helped me. I had upgraded to KK3 and most of the things had stopped working. Back on 2.9.6 and everything works like a charm. Much appreciate your help on this.

cheers

OCDJ

Killing S61 or any other Audio hardware is planned obsolescence and is the exact same thing Apple are doing. The excuse is old tech is not compatible and therefor redundant. Companies like NI and Apple are in it for a profit and keeping old tech supported is not economically viable. I mean really, who is going to buy "new planned redundant stuff" when the "old planned redundant stuff" still works? Right ? No lets kill the old stuff so these ID10T's will just buy more "stuff".

I would be prepared to pay for an upgrade for newer versions of the software if it meant I can keep using my expensive now obsolete "cos NI say so" hardware to subsidise the development cost if it meant keeping my old tech working. This waste-full practice of planned redundancy is unsustainable, but hey everyone is doing it now....

Here is an example of old tech running new software >>>

See my 2009 system specs in the attached pic running Monterey. Sonoma also works but not with the AMD GPU "yet". The good folks from Open Core Legacy Patcher have not ported the kernel extensions yet that will support my GPU. And if not, then I must buy a new compatible GPU before I need to buy a new computer. Open Core puts back what Apple remove when they stop supporting a product and is the best way to get unsupported Macs to run the latest Mac operating systems. At least this will work until Apple kill the Intel CPU support completely, maybe 2 years from now.

Apple killed this 2009 Mac Pro support at El Capitan in 2015, that was 6 operating systems ago, 8 if you count to Sonoma of unsupported operating systems on this "OBSOLETE" Mac. How is this possible if hardware being too old was an ACTUAL problem? It is possible because this Mac Pro almost 15 years old and is perfectly capable of running modern day applications and hardware like a dream. It also has error checking memory and is the most stable machine I have ever had the pleasure of working on. PCI-e SSD's installed makes this system much much faster and the 32GB of ECC RAM is not shared with the 8GB graphics card. This is not the case with the Apple M series CPU's, unified memory means your system RAM is now also shared by CPU and GPU at the same time.

In a nutshell, with NI's track record, they will not continue to develop support for old hardware the same way Apple don't. I love my NI products, S61 Audio 4 and Audio 8 with TC vinyl and will continue to use them as long as possible. However, I will not buy NI hardware again because of this planned redundancy practice.

The next Keys I buy will be a proper analogue synth like my Korg MS2000 or Novation Supernova, or my 2003 Sonic Core 12 DSP Dual Pulsar2 PCI cards that are still supported with the latest Scope7 platform and of course my RME UFX MK1 still works no issues. These are also much older and oh my sack, they still work perfectly.

The excuse that it's too old is getting old and is Komplete ******.