Kontakt 6 not working in ProTools, M3 Max Sonoma

Friendgineer

I'm not a fan of using the latest OS, but I was forced into it on my new m3 machine. I found out the hard way that none of my Kontakt instances appear in ProTools anymore unless I open ProTools in Rosetta mode. Which suuuuux. It's way slower while running in Rosetta and

literally every other plugin including all other NI plugins I'm using work just fine.

The Vst3 version and standalone versions both work awesome, it's literally just the AAX version that literally doesn't get recognized by PT anymore.

Is there a roadmap for this fix already in place or am I the only one experiencing this?

Jeremy_NI

@Friendgineer I'm sorry, this is the information I was given and I'm not aware of other plugins from NI auto migrating from one version to another. Which NI plugin does support this migration, which third party plugins, from what version to what version?

Only a few DAWs support the migration, it's not something only on NI's end. You can read more about it here: Notes about Auto-Migration of Kontakt Versions in DAW Projects

Jeremy_NI

Hey @Friendgineer Kontakt 6 was discontinued so it will never support silicon native AAX plug-ins and always require Rosetta. Depending what libraries you are using, for all NI libraries at least, you can use the free Kontakt 7 Player instead.

Friendgineer

ok thanks!

I program in Kontakt, so I have to have the full thing. Is there some discount path for K7? Are K6 projects forward-compatible to K7 or do i have to open every project in Rosetta, copy the info over to K7 on each individual track?

Jeremy_NI

@Friendgineer There is an update path indeed, it looks like you bought it already.

Unfortunately, for AAX there is no plugin migration capability (the AAX format itself doesn't support it); so you will have to do the migration manually.

Friendgineer

The AAX format supports the migration for all my other third party plugins, and yours as well... so is it just not worth it from NI's perspective to update the code? This is pretty frustrating considering I have hundreds of projects with automated Kontakt libraries. I can't manually migrate those.

Jeremy_NI

@Friendgineer I'm sorry, this is the information I was given and I'm not aware of other plugins from NI auto migrating from one version to another. Which NI plugin does support this migration, which third party plugins, from what version to what version?

Only a few DAWs support the migration, it's not something only on NI's end. You can read more about it here: Notes about Auto-Migration of Kontakt Versions in DAW Projects

Friendgineer

That's the article, yes. The auto-migration. If it's not in NI's control then having K6 updated to natively work in ProTools doesn't seem like too much to ask, it's a relatively new plugin, considering it's only one generation away from K7.

Let me know if there's any NI plans to at least make K6 openable on Silicon ProTools rigs.

Thanks again,

T

Jeremy_NI

@Friendgineer Unfortunately Kontakt 6 is not developed anymore, as it has been discontinued. It will not get a sillicon compatibility update.

djanogil

Same problem here on a M2 Pro Mac Mini, it's totally outrageous to be condemned to programmed obsolescence as a loyal customer.

We're basically forced to spend more money to upgrade, making our supposedly permanent licenses a lie in itself, very frustrating..

The least NI could do if we cannot use our apps any longer with a given OS is to give a free upgrade!

It should be done automatically..

Jeremy_NI

@djanogil You can still use Kontakt 6 in Pro Tools in Rosetta mode. If you are using NI Kontakt libraries or third party libraries that don't require the Full version you can use the free Kontakt 7 Player.

Vocalpoint

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/136710#Comment_136710

But no problem whatsoever dropping massive $$$ on a new Mac M2 Pro?

Forgive me but you cannot possibly use a Mac and not know that Apple blatantly attempts to ruin everything for you guys every September.

Complain to Apple to consider making their OSs backwards compatible with the rest of the world.

This is really not a issue for NI (or any vendor really) to solve.

VP

Friendgineer

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/136748#Comment_136748

Actually I almost completely agree with you VP. This is an NI issue, created by Apple.

I would expect a free upgrade if NI discontinues a product in such a short time compared to similar devs so as to render other projects unopenable. It isn't their responsibility to make Mac OS' backwards compatible, but they could make it free to current owners when it's a show-stopping issue like this. Spending money on a mac is a necessary evil in my situation. the love/hate relationship is real.

Vocalpoint

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/136863#Comment_136863

Can’t really agree with you here since Kontakt 6 works just fine (AND FWIW is not a showstopper at all) as long as you stay in your lane and run a supported operating system. It is still available and installable within Native Access right now.

As a long time Windows user - I have no skin in this game (K6 works just fine here) but this appears (at least to me) to be more about moving forward for reasons unknown rather than taking a good look at what you should be actually be running (that is - if Kontakt 6 is important to you) vs what you think (and what Apple thinks) you should be running.

And I totally disagree with this:

"would expect a free upgrade if NI discontinues a product in such a short time" 

6 years have passed since K6 was released - most definitely not a short time.

18 months have passed already since K7 was released.

Time to decide which way you need to go.

VP

Jeremy_NI

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/136863#Comment_136863

Again, I have to point out that you can still install and use Kontakt 6 in Rosetta mode.

Friendgineer

https://community.native-instruments.com/discussion/comment/136867#Comment_136867

Great points!

I thought K6 had only been out for a year before K7 came out. And my new mac's oldest compatible OS was Sonoma (which I hate.) so I was forced into it and literally couldn't install the same stuff back on. I realize I can run stuff in Rosetta but then it ends up being as slow as the previous machine I owned.

I guess next time I'll be getting a Windows PC!