Komplete Kontrol S series MK1 keyboards End Of Life
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The list you could do, is to warn your users before upgrading KK to 3.0 that IT WILL NOT WORK with mk1 keyboards through a warning during the update process. Not everyone is reading your forums and I have found this thread after realizing that my s61 mk1 keyboard it's now not working anymore with it's software. I have waited on NI for almost 3 years to update it's stuff to Apple Silicon (ahm, not all of them work yet) and now, this. After spending more that 6k EUR on your hardware and software over the last years as a solo musician, this is just another blast from NI. This is so dissapointing that is beyond words. So, no matter what the reasoning behind the decision is, this is not fair and this is not the 1st time this happens. I am very sorry I paid for your software, I really could have had it for free but I choosed to respect your work. But NI doesn't respect ours. I know you are just the one taking the hits, this is not directed to you, but to NI "decision chain". But really, I have again that feeling that if anybody told me he's working for NI I would punch him in the face!
PS: I own S61 series mk1, mk2 and today I ordered mk3. I'm such an idi0t!
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My boy loved the KK S88 too when he was around 2 years old - he was particularly fond of the FLESH beatbox.
At 4 he's more into hardware synths 🤣
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Since 2022, there has been an update obligation (at least in Germany) for products with digital properties according to §327f para. 1 of the German Civil Code (BGB) - namely to the properties warranted at the time of purchase (i.e. not only the functionality of a rudimentary MIDI controller, but full NKS compatibility). This obligation to update exists for the duration for which the customer can usually expect contractual use. For musical instruments, this is 10-20 years, as is also customary from a tax point of view. So at least 10 years after cessation (not start!) of marketing or EOL of the hardware – which would mean an update obligation until somewhere around 2027.
If the manufacturer does not fulfil this obligation, the result maybe a subsequently “defective” product with the customer's right to rectification or refund. The reference to KK2.9 is not sufficient insofar as with OS or DAW updates a situation can arise at any time that the original NKS functionality is no longer given (as has already been experienced in the past).
NI should consider that software developers are certainly cheaper than lawyers to defend against material defect claims, not to mention the follow-up costs of image damage and lost revenue. Since it is a new law, it maybe not applicable to the old MK1 stuff (sad enough) but watch out for MK2/3…
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The mk1 still works the way you described though. Seems like a lot of people miss that. The only thing that doesn't work anymore is that it's not a supported device on Komplete Kontrol v3 anymore, meaning that it will work as a generic MIDI controller in the version 3 of the Komplete Kontrol plugin, like any other non mk2 or mk3 Komplete Kontrol series keyboard.
It still works as a MIDI controller sending MIDI CCs, it still works with version 2.9.4 of the Komplete Kontrol plugin.
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It doesn’t seem NI is too scared of laws obligations.
I just asked some clarifications about the latest giveaway, since the choice of the winner (who hasn’t anything to do with the problems) was clearly done with some incorrect behaviors. Their politic at the moment is simply not answering.
Not to name them simply deleting part of EULA because it wasn’t at their advantage…
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I still hope that M+ and Jam will repeat. At first NI has announced that M+ will not support Jam (they pul Jam EOL few weeks/months before M+ release). And on users' requests, NI has added Jam support in M+.
So, maybe that NI will find a way to allow users to use MK1 at full capabilities and newer HW at full capabilities on one computer at the same time.
As it should have been from the very start....
I do not say MK1 should have more capabilities added and so on. Just that it should be possible to use MK1 (in NI mode) and newer NI HW with extended functions on the same mashine at the same time.
I do not think I am the only user that has the both MK1 and newer NI HW like Maschine etc...
By the way, maybe that §327f para could be applicable also to MK1, if one has newer HW like Maschine MK3. Because now, the user is by NI decision forced to use Maschine MK3 on KK v2 (and possibly on current version of Maschine SW, if the next one will exclude KK MK1.)
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What about futur O.S updates or DAW updates compatibility with MK1 ?
I didn't buy the MK1 to use it just as a standard midi controller, I bought the MK1 because of the software and hardware interactions like everyone.
The only answer from N.I is to stay at version 2.9.4 , so as I understand there will be no support at all for futur O.S and DAW updates in case the compatibility is broken after an O.S or DAW updates.
If this is for real , it is a really bad move from N.I.
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Things should not break with DAW update. If it does, DAW developer should fix it.... And with OS. It most probably is not problem on Win. It might be on Mac...
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Most MIDI keyboards are class compliant. The KK mk1 surely is as well.
Edit: Yes, it is. See here: https://support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/360014155057-Which-Audio-MIDI-Devices-Are-Compatible-with-MASCHINE-via-USB-
You don't have to worry about that.
And, by the way, it is not uncommon that old (software) technology is being discontinued. I also own a keyboard (Novation Impulse) where the company has discontinued the software wrapper which made certain proprietary functionality possible with the keyboard (Novation Automap). What they did is actually provide a new firmware which makes the keyboard work with the Maeckie HUI protocol, so you can control the DAWs mixer, without the use of Automap. It's some generic functionality which some MIDI controllers have, and is kind of comparable with the situation with the KK mk1 keyboards. It happens. Just as hardware ends up not being produced anymore, the same happens with software, if the developers think it's time to move on, and the new software can't be made compatible with old tech anymore.
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I was about to say that it is not possible that next (ipotetic) versions of Maschine will exclude MK1, because otherwise they will really prove to be crazy.
But…lately…not that sure I can say something like this…
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Ooooh…I blame Apple constantly…at the point that I don’t use Macs ☺️.
The real thing I don’t understand is why developers in some ways allow them to act like this.
I’m almost sure that if developers would “unite” and tell Apple “if you continue like this, nobody will develop anymore for your machines”, they would change.
In the end, Macs can be good as they want, but if they would remain with only their (albeit good) programs, users would not buy them
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I was about to say that it is not possible that next (ipotetic) versions of Maschine will exclude MK1, because otherwise they will really prove to be crazy.
Well, Maschine SW must share the same/similar code for KK MK1 with KK SW. So, it is highly probable that MK1 will end up in future version of Maschine (unless NI changes its plans...). Maybe not the next one. But the next but one, or so.....
Anyway, I expect Maschine 3 (or something like that) is comming. KK MK3 IMHO indicates it. Otherwise it would have support of Maschine.... And buttons for current Maschine....
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Let’s just hope we are all wrong
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Well, it seems to me, NI has confirmed it in a way in this thread. In the way that MK1 support will not be in Maschine forever. I am lazy to seek for exact reference.
To me, as programmer, it is obvious, that if support has ended in KK, it will soon end in Maschine. In case NI would intend to support MK1 in future versions of Maschine, they would support it also in KK3. It would be insane to support it in Maschine and not support it in KK3. So, ....
I might be wrong, but it would be IMHO highly illogical continue on two tracks. Support MK1 in Maschine and not support it in KK3.
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